When you have section 8 paying over $1000 a month for housing that's comparable to a minimum wage job. Add in foodstamps. Somebody once posted he knew somebody getting over $800. That close to twice minimum wage. Add in medical. No premiums, copays or deductibles, plus the usual 20%, dental etc. Your at 3 times minimum wage, add in wic, help with utilities, and a check. That's close to 4 times minimum wage. Welfare is causing the breakdown of the family unit. White people are getting on the welfare gravy too. That means less are working. Less paying into that system. I can't say that I blame them. In the long run it will get welfare changes. Hopefully the family unit will be restored.
4 times the minimum wage? 32 dollars an hour? times 160 hours a month , 5120 a month? where is one living where their expenses come to that much a month?
I made twice minimum wage (16) an hour, which after taxes left me about 2 grand a month. 800 for rent would bring it down to 1200. my insurance was about 300 for me and one child, which leaves me 900 and milk and utilities dont come to that much....
this is more the scenario, when I made 10 an hour, (1600) a month with one child, meant I was under 130 percent of poverty guidelines. I was able to receive a whopping 300 for food and 300 check, that would be the same at 1600 or ZERO income as long as it was below the threshold, because i went on Family Size , for snap, about 1.50 per meal per person, and for TANF, it varies by state.
so that was 600 in assistance and adding on the hypothetical 800 for rent, thats 1400, not close to 4 times minimum wage, even if I add in the 300 for medical/dental per month, its still not 4 times minimum wage.
hopefully, wages will get on par with cost of living increases ... so fewer will need assistance to pull through.
Ms.h, have you ever had a baby while not on medicaid? My daughter was born 14 years ago. The bill was over $10,000. You listed ins premiums only. Now be realistic and add the real benefit of Medicaid. It's usually paying for mom and 1-15 kids. Dental pays at 80% and most work only 50%. Medicaid recipients don't understand the struggle of the middle class.
Does milk alone sustain you? I believe the guy who posted $800 because I feed a family every week and no $300 a month is b.s.
You got the rent part about right. Unless the woman has more than a 2br.
5120×12=$61,440. That's a lower middle class income.
$32x40=$1280 a week. Minus $300 in taxes, $40 insurance $60 in 401k. $880 is about what's left to live on. Rent here is usually a little over $1000, unless you live in a dump. I've heard of 3 section 8 women and rent was over $1000. One was coming from the landlord. One was at Honda. One my ex was trying to get away from because the two oldest kids were turning 18 and she had to move.
880 a week to live on is almost 3600 a month. I have lived on much less than that a large part of my life, even when I had assistance. those numbers are not the reality.
Have you ever known any doctors? My brother is one. The government does not pay the same rates that other insurance does. So the bill would NOT be the same as someone not on medicaid. They do not pay a monthly rate IN CASE a recipient needs help. they pay PER PROCEDURE AFTER the help is received.
and then there is the issue that not everyone receiving medicaid is pregnant.
and that the average family size for families on assistant is the same as the average generally (hint, its not 15)
medicaid recipients understand struggle is struggle, and many struggle as much or more as 'middle class'
So your defence of Medicaid not being a benefit to recieptients is it pays less? Ok. Do they still have a baby for free? While middle class people pay a ton. Yes they do. That's why people are choosing to sit on welfare. Making $60,000 a year to struggle with medical cost is ********. We need to stop the unlimited medical for the sit at home and procreate group.
Lots of middle class Americans are doing without healthcare. They either don't have ins, can't afford the deductibles, can't afford to take off work, or procedures are being denied.
Meanwhile the non working are being well cared for at the expense of the working who can't afford the same care. Crazy!! Isn't it.
Dear, Im not 'defending' anything. I am disputing the numbers presented in this thread.
the logic is false. there is no data that people have kids to get welfare...lol
there is no data that there is 60,000 a year in benefit by being on welfare.
there is no 'unlimited' for sit at home, there is a lifetime cap and a work requirement for CASH.
most able bodied on medicaid, therefore, are not 'sitting at home' unless they are doing so without any CASH with which to survive.
lots of poor arent using medicaid either because they are not utilizing DOCTOR services, and therefore medicaid is not having to pay ANYTHING for them.
whats crazy is working class griping about the poor having it so good, as if ANY of them would trade places ... its nonsense.
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msharmony
on Sun 08/26/18 10:34 AM
