I mind them. But there is LOGIC that needs to be used instead of just a bandaid that may only postpone or make matters worse. If its going to be corrected, let it not be some temporary and fleeting show of brutality meeting brutality. there needs to be LEGALLY supported means employed with precedent or which will SET precedent.


In Chicago, 1,876 people have been shot this year. That is 473 fewer than 2017.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/data/ct-shooting-victims-map-charts-htmlstory.html


For the sheer number of victims of violent crime, no other city comes close. In 2015, Chicago recorded 478 homicides, more than in any other American city. New York, with 352 homicides, recorded the second-highest number of homicides, followed by Baltimore with 344. Almost everyone who was killed in Chicago that year — 93 percent — was shot to death.

But numbers offer a limited view of a city’s gun violence problem. Chicago, with roughly 2.7 million residents, is the third-most populous city in the country. On a per capita basis, its shooting epidemic is not nearly as severe as the violence in many other large American cities.

“The absolute numbers are helpful putting it in a context that people understand, but with the rates, you get the true scope of the problem in the way it impacts people’s lives,” John Pfaff, a professor of law at Fordham Law School, told The Trace. “People don’t care about the absolute numbers, they care about their risk, and the rates tell that risk.”

Chicago’s homicide rate over the last five years was 16.4 per 100,000 residents. In St. Louis and New Orleans, the homicide rate from 2010 to 2015 was three times as high, on average.
https://www.thetrace.org/2016/10/chicago-gun-violence-per-capita-rate/


SO.. like I was saying, sending in National Guard for CHICAGOS violence sets precedent to send them in to several others with a similar RATE of violence or worse. that is a dangerous precedent and wears the guard thin, as opposed to using police to do the job they are trained and paid to do.

In Chicago, 1,876 people have been shot this year. That is 473 fewer than 2017.
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And that is suppose to be a good thing..........

well

lets all stand and give the thugs a hand for a job well done! :)

BTW, is the 59 shot and 6 killed this weekend included in your math?

Because guess what, at this pace Chicago shootings will surpass last year.

https://abc7chicago.com/59-shot-6-fatally-in-weekend-shootings-across-chicago/4006842/

Violence of this nature SHOULD be met with a overwhelming force. Because these thugs only respect.. that. Civil liberties? for those who gave none to the people they shot.. the people they killed?... I don't think so. Stop and search?.. yep.. racial profiling?... well we don't have to worry about that one.. do we.

What is happening and what has been happening in Chicago is national news. A national disgrace. It is out of control. Some see it for what it is, some bury their head in pie charts and wait for spikes to go down.. only to come up again. Only to ignore the core issues

You can reduce people to a number on a graft chart all you want, because those are not your relatives so it is very easy to do.

If it was your grandmother in that hell hole, would you show her the graft chart and tell her to "just wait it out Grandma.. and for Christ's sake. don't go near the windows"

It is a Democratic controlled city, has been forever. And they have failed miserably costing many to die.

The black community has failed.. miserably in raising their children there, because it is their off spring ( generations of them) who now control the streets and terrorize.. their own.

So, please continue to defend them and make sure to update your charts to include the

59 shot.. 6 murdered this weekend.

who new simply providing numbers could make people so defensive?

no one qualified anything as a 'good thing'

we are discussing what the precedence would be for turning to the National Guard for Chicago without doing the same for other cities facing similar or worse impact from violence ... remember?

the society has failed the black community as much as some in the black community 'fail' their kids.


If we delve deeper into concentrated poverty and HISTORICAL financial segregation and discrimination and redlining of Black families, it may be easier to find solutions than just trying to slickly imply its as simple as some moral failing with 'black' people.

but back to the point....

I WAS DISCUSSING why I DONT BELIEVE there is a precedence for national guard in Chicago and why it would be poor use of military resources to send them into all cities that are significantly impacted by violence.

and rates DO matter when discussing relative need, as most any resource one turns to research a safe place to live will give you a PER CAPITA violence rate, not a raw number, because the range of population from one place to another can vary so widely.

Lol

And again. you can sit there and crunch numbers to dooms day .. with your charts and your warped logic while people continue to die.

I told you.. take your charts, calculator and theory to the streets there, explain it to the victims families.. the elderly.. the thugs themselves.

What?.. no way?... oh, that's right. you know why?.. because you too would become a victim... and you know it.

Your charts and logic never address the root cause

PERSONNAL RESPONSIBILITY

And until that is address, places like Chicago WILL CONTINUE TO BE TERRORIZED BY THUGS IN RECORD SETTING NUMBERS.

So, stick with your far left mentality of " wait n see", I prefer to hit back.. and hit HARD. and by going by the posts and the headlines so do the vast amount of people.

And lets see what one more week bring us.. then another.. then another.. shall we

Tip:
you may not want write your # shot / # murdered charts in pen.. use a pencil.. with a big eraser.

once again: Violence is a problem, no one has said otherwise. Violence is not only a problem in Chicago. The national guard being deployed is the ISSUE I am discussing, not how terrible violence is.

if the premise for deploying national guard is concern for VIOLENCE, there are other cities with as much or more reason for concern that would THEN be justified in expecting the guard in THEIR town.

if we deploy the guard to the several cities in need of relief from the high rates of violence, we do little to improve the policing of those areas going forward to prevent it from spiking again. Police are supposed to police their communities. PEriod. it is not a national guard job. and if we are going to make it a national guard job in Chicago, it would also need to be their job in several other cities, and set a poor precedent for how we treat US citizens (with military force) and what we expect from our police (to do their jobs justly and productively).

ohh

Show me one U.S. city that is on the news.. Nationwide for their constant violence, like Chicago.. N.Y.C. nope L.A....nope

Show me just one...

You defend these thugs.. which is enabling them

And regarding the national guard.. bring them in.. in any area where lawless thugs have taken over the streets, entire neighborhoods and terrorized the lives of the residence. Because you know what.. they will think twice about building back up.

Who owns the streets MS?.. I say it us the law abiding people... and you?.. who do you say owns the street?

You constantly sidestep the issue of personal responsibility. If these so called parents had done the job they were supposed to maybe there wouldn't be so many thugs out there in the first place.

And it would seem the Democratic mayor.. feels the same way.

You can't say the words.. that those parent failed.. you just can't say it.. but that's o.k... because we all know they did.

Those communities failed miserably in raising THEIR kids.. now they want society to fix the problem....

I dont care about what the news chooses to focus on or report. I care about the FACTs. and the FACTS are that Chicago, although it is the de facto cultural image of what violence is, is NOT the city that is worse off in terms of rates of violence.

Citizens own the streets. Im not sidestepping anything just because I am discussing a topic that others dont wish to stay on ...


Calling the military to do the job of the police and how many places it would set precedent for police to do the same.

MOABs

Noting violent crime is declining in most of the city, Johnson said the worst of violence is largely confined to six neighborhoods on the South and West Sides of the city.
"This isn't a widespread issue among Chicagoans. It's the same people,” Johnson said.
For the past few weeks, about 600 additional officers have been deployed to areas with the most violence over the weekend. Among the strategies used by officers, Johnson said, was to shut down many large gatherings held without a permit that have been targeted in mass shootings this summer.

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Even with a additional 600 cops sent to the concentrated thug areas for the past few weeks... 59 people were still shot, 6 killed in those very same areas this past weekend. More the prior weekends.

" Its the same people"... is the key comment from the Police

Severe conditions require severe solutions.

Exactly

There are 4 concentrated areas which are totally out of control. These 4 areas are where the overwhelming amount of crimes, shootings, murders are committed... overwhelming

If 600 more cops can't stem the tide then it is time to send a heavier force in there. Clearly the thugs are not impressed.. or concerned... or afraid.

Does it set a precedence: yes it does, and that precedence is

You want to be thugs.. shoot people.. murder people, kill kids, sell drugs, Terrorize people, think you owe the streets? Then we are going to come in there and hit you harder then you ever thought possible. So hard that thugs in other states take notice... and want no part in that.

Gangster Disciples.. largest ( by far) and strongest thug gang in Chicago.. established..... 1960!

Stop the senseless shootings, murders.. terror.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/chicago-children-falling-victim-gang-related-shootings-article-1.2718415

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Well over 350 grade school and pre school age children have been shot over the past few years in the on going gang shoot outs in Chicago's 4 thug infested areas. These kids were doing nothing more then writing with caulk on the sidewalk, holding sparklers, walking with their mothers or sitting on the porch or just playing outside their house.

They were hit by stray bullets from thugs shooting it out with each other or they were hit when thugs shot directly into groups of people with total disregard for who was in that group.. other then their attended victim.

And NOBODY is protesting. Where are blm?

No BLM, No Al Sharpton, No Louis Farrakhan...because it is blacks shooting blacks.. even worse that it is their little children, they don't want to address that.. or even talk about it or even acknowledge it.

Why the silence?. What else could it possibly be

People dont protest criminals committing crimes, its a silly question.

people protest systems or governments or policies.

This has NOTHING to do with BLM, which protests the JUSTICE SYSTEM, in particular paid civil servants (cops) misuse of resource or authority.

There is no silence. We have plenty of 'see how culturally inferior black people are' mouthpieces to raise their voice in 'concern'.

Meanwhile, like in any town or city, the people try to deal with the local issues LOCALLY.

B/S

There is no effort from the 3 entities listed above to address the issue... none.. no mention of it what so ever.

All while the kids continue to be... shot.

BLM?... isn't the name itself a indicator of its cause. I never saw a disclaimer stating that it just pertains to " other" situations.. such as "systems"

are you living in those areas of chicago right now? How are you ascertaining what anyone there is doing or not doing or trying to do about the issue?


there is no obligation for anyone to address any and every issue and certainly not to address crime. Police are trained and paid to address crime.

That is not BS. What is BS is deflecting from the issue to actually lay some responsibility at the feet of people who choose to show concern for police abuse.

? because I can read.. that is how I know. Because I have gone thru these type places most of my adult life.. worked in them.. traveling in them.. that's how I know.

Have you?

How do you know what's going on there? Have you been to those places? You stated once that you were a active follower of BLM, well, then what are they doing? What is their official statement.
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From BLM mission statement:
In response to the sustained and increasingly visible violence against Black communities in the U.S. and globally, a collective of more than 50 organizations representing thousands of Black people from across the country have come together with renewed energy and purpose to articulate a common vision and agenda.

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And is not what is happening in those 4 areas of Chicago " sustained and increasingly visible violent"?

Police abuse?.. did the cops shot those 350 kids? Or are you saying those 3 entities only protest in that case?

BLM, Sharpton & Farrakhan cherry pick out what works for their agenda because if they really cared about what they state they do " violence against black people" then they should have been all over this... but they are not...are they..

( because it doesn't get anymore violent then 350 of their kids being shot.. does it.)

The difference is Im not saying what people 'arent' doing based only on visiting and passing through or what I read.

like I was saying ...


'cherry picking' is semantics, people 'cherry pick' the part of the issues they wish to focus on, dont they? just like some 'cherry pick' about the race or 'cherry pick' about what other people should count as their purpose.

BLM is not being paid. the POLICE are. Focus on why THEY arent doing more to figure out how to do their job maybe?