this wasnt hard to find. a link to what Chicagoans have been doing to try to navigate and decrease the violence.

https://abc7chicago.com/archive/9009544/

and from the BLM website:

The Black Lives Matter Global Network is a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission is to build local power and to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.


https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/


BLM focus is issues with the STATE (taxpayer supported)

kind of like a holocaust survivor,whose life as a jewish person should matter, may focus more on nazis(sanctioned establishment) than on jewish who killed jewish.

So now it is the cops fault

Is it their fault for not stopping someone from pulling a gun from their waste band in a split second and opening fire into a crowd.

Is it their fault for not stopping someone from putting a gun out a car window and firing

Can any cop standing 50 feet away from a moving car stop someone inside the car from firing out? Or would you prefer a cop get issued to every thug.. follow him around all day.

Are the cops killing the kids ?

So you expect a cop in every single location of each of these 4 areas every day 24/7 to stop humans from being animals.

You want this to be totally cleaned up by the cops but of course, no pulling cars over for no legal reason, no stop n search, no racial profiling... right

The Democratic mayor doesn't seem to think this the core issue, neither does anyone else. he seems to think it lack of morals and not being taught right from wrong is the core problem.. sounds about right to me.

no, again, I have never played the 'fault' game. It's often too simplistic and intellectually dishonest. Its not the cops FAULT, it is their JOB though. Not the BLM, or SHARPTON, or anyone else. COPS are paid to deal with crime. Period.

I dont expect any of those things from cops, just as others shouldnt expect it of individual citizens like sharpton or protest groups or BLM either.

I dont expect ANYONE or ANY entity to stop crime from happening altogether. I do expect POLICE and the JUSTICE SYSTEM and the COMMUNITY to do what they can to deter and decrease crime, and to JUSTLY detain suspects and JUSTLY prosecute criminals.

So BLM will march and riot when it is white on black, but turn the other way when it is black on black?.. even when it is 350 of their own kids in a concentrated area?

BLM IS IN CHICAGO, so they see it, right?

I saw a black cop in Baltimore totally beating the living hell out of a black man on the news here on Friday, even the other cop with him tried to get him to stop.. no good. Punching the hell out of the defenseless guy in the face. caught on tape...police brutality.. damn right it was.. worse kind. all over the news.. everywhere. Why no protest.. no march

Why no statements from BLM, Sharpton, Farrakhan ( well Farrakhan I understand, he is a has been.. time passed him by.. and pretty much.. gone)

Because they are nothing but a bunch of hypocritical clowns.

What you're saying is, blm will jump in as soon as the cops try to do something about the crime,to make cops jobs harder

BLM, BLM, blah blah blah. as citizens they can protest whatever the heck they WANT TO PROTEST. what has that to do with violence in chicago? What has that to do with whether its the police's actual job to address crime and not the BLM?

BLM marches about POLICE BRUTALITY, not 'white on black'. And that still has nothing to do with chicago and violent crime who POLICE are paid to address.

People are not required to make statements for other people on every issue everywhere at all times just because they put energy into some issues in some places.

no. Im saying BLM Has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DISCUSSION because no one is PAYING THEM to keep Chicago safe and because their issue is focused around the STATE and its treatment of black people, not how INDIVIDUAL criminals commit crimes.

So you are saying they real don't care about black lives. They just hate white cops. yeah I can see that.

It has to do with the violence in Chicago because of the extremely high amount of violence in Chicago right now on black people.. especially kids. And no voice from entities such as BLM who will protest at a drop of a hat should it be white on black. Don't the black lives in Chicago matter?

It has to do with the black community not acknowledging the core issue of the problem and differing it to others such as the cops
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"BLM is not being paid. the POLICE are. Focus on why THEY aren't doing more to figure out how to do their job maybe?"
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"BLM marches about POLICE BRUTALITY"

Then where the hell were they last week when that black Baltimore cop was beating the black defenseless man senseless.

that video was the poster child for police brutality

The overall Point is that BLM, Sharpton,Farrakhan and other self proclaimed mouthpieces for the black community, make themselves scarce when it is black on black.. even when it is their defenseless children.. and that is sickening.

Is that clear enough?

No. Im saying they care about how the SYSTEM treats black lives in comparison to others. They hate the discrimination in the SYSTEM, regardless of the race of those it employs to work within it. and Im saying the conversation of Chicago violence has NOTHING to do with the BLM.

OH MY GOSH!

okay. last time. Black lives matter has NOTHING to do with whats happening in Chicago. BLACK LIVES MATTER was begun to address how the SYSTEM (elected or employed representatives of a taxpayer supported SYSTEM) approaches the value of black lives compared to the value of other lives.

Got it? Its about how the SYSTEM values black life. not about all black life in every situation, but how it pertains to getting the SYSTEM to value those lives equally.

What is sickening is the way people constantly distract from issues within the system to 'cherry pick' what they think some individual person or entity should be saying or doing.

As I said before its like hijacking or distracting from a topic of how nazis tortured jewish people by pointing to the 'silence' of jewish people about the jewish people who have killed jewish people.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT basis, one is addressing STATE SANCTIONED behavior, the other is addressing crime, which is the POLICE and STATE job to address. not individuals or protestors.

Nobody is detracting or sidestepping the issues.. but.. you

I am saying point blank the root cause is a failure of the black community to rise their kids properly. to teach them morals and the difference from right and wrong

I am saying the black community will point the finger at others without taking responsibility themselves

I am saying the so called leaders of the black community are nowhere to be found while their kids are shot down


that is what I am saying.. point blank

yes, it is sidestepping to bring up BLM, a group that focuses on systemic issues of discrimination.

One cause is how parents bring up kids, but kids are not brought up in caves with only their immediate families and parents have to work. Kids are also immersed in and 'brought up' within their community circumstances. I am saying the black community does no more or less 'finger' pointing than the white community. I am saying so called black leaders cannot be everywhere doing everything in accordance to how white bystanders(or any other race) decide they should.

and blackness or black people are not the topic, is what I am saying point blank.

if one wants to go on tirades about how insufficient or inferior they believe black people, parents or communities to be, maybe they should say so POINT blank in a thread that says it directly.


but such blatant and direct bigotry would probably be shut down ...

Lol...BLM focuses on white on black issues only.. that is proven and take a blind eye to black on black.. also proven

No one is going on tirades either. My quotes are not out of anger, they are out of fact.

And I have said it point blank.... in many many threads. My views have.. never changed.

And these " blatant bigot" views as you call them have never been shut down.. never.

why

Because the truth is the truth.. even if you do not like to hear it.

none of it is proven. its a bunch of regurgitated BS with no data to back it up and continue to make it about race or BLM instead of staying on topic.

it helps to have friends in authority, where these threads are concerned, is all I will say about how freely some are allowed to spew garbage.

But back on topic ...


BLM is about systemic justice, not about white people. And BLM is not the group paid and trained to deal with violence in Chicago, which is the topic of the thread.

it helps to have friends in authority, where these threads are concerned, is all I will say about how freely some are allowed to spew garbage.

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And who would that be?

the ones with discretion over what should be shut down or not, obviously.

Which is why I try to stay on topic, because if I 'go back and forth' or get off topic, I am often dinged for it.

so, back to the TOPIC,


Chicago and Violence.

not that fast, because what you said is insulting to me and I don't think to me alone.

What I say is not garbage. What I say is my opinion based on my experiences, my upbringing, my values and my sense of responsibility. I back up what I say with fact.

If you do not agree with that, then that is your right. But to state that what I say is garbage is out of line. And to insinuate that others " in authority" are giving some sort of favoritism is beyond belief when I have zero communication with anyone in " authority"... zero

now .. back to Chicago and the senseless violence taking place there.

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Lonnae O'Neal is a senior writer for ESPN's The Undefeated:

First of all, we need to remember violence in Chicago go way back. You know, this was mob central. This was Al Capone. These were gangster days. There are gangster tours of Chicago, and so violence didn't start on the south and west side of Chicago. Violence is very much baked into the cake and part of the story and the legend of Chicago. We want the violence in Chicago to be caused by A or A and B and C, when really it's a hundred things over years and decades and generations. And a real lack of political will to fully address and excavate any one of them.

Andre Hamlin is now head of security for Derrick Rose of the New York Knicks. He grew up on Chicago's south side, and he's a former gang member. He says one of the biggest problems is children simply don't have enough to do:


You know, a lot of time we have so much downtime. And my grandfather always used to tell me idle mind is the devil's playground. And I found myself like that after the day was gone, after all the sports was gone, that's how I found out. My day was gone. Like, man, we don't have nothing to do. OK, you all, let's break into this garage. You know, let's get - let's be mischievous. So I really think we have too much downtime.



A completely different theory comes from Dr. Carl Bell. He's a prominent psychiatrist in Chicago. He's been practicing there for 45 years. He mentioned a cut in social programs and another idea that you might not have heard:

The other more recent problem that I've discovered is fetal alcohol exposure. If you think about who's doing the shootings, they're spur of the moment. They are indicative of poor affect regulation, poor impulse control. And when you look at who does those kinds of things, it's children who were exposed to fetal alcohol.

If you go into these poor communities, you see a plethora of liquor stores. And what's happening is that women - in this case, African-American women - don't know they're pregnant for the first month or two. They're engaging in social drinking causing fetal alcohol spectrum disorders in children. And so when you fast forward 17, 18 years later, look in the juvenile detention center, three-fourths of the children in those facilities can read - have something that looks like ADHD, have speech and language disorders, have poor impulse control, have poor social judgment. That's all fetal alcohol spectrum disorder.


Read more at : https://www.npr.org/2016/09/03/492549546/examining-the-reasons-for-chicagos-violence